Posts by Winston Smith :>D

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I'm a Neutral Jehovah's Witness

by Martini in

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dear brothers and sisters,.

i martini, will confide in you that i have become a neutral jehovah's witness.

i wonder if i'm not coining a new phrase here!.

Winston Smith :>D

Sorry, last one I'll bring back from the dead for a while.

But it was fascinating to read.

Interesting phrase 'neutral JW'

Winston. The 'jesus of dead threads' class

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Welcome !

by Simon in

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welcome to the newest jehovah's witness discussion forum on the net.. please register so that you can post to the forum and turn this into a welcoming place for other brothers and sisters online

Winston Smith :>D

Wow, It's too funny reading some of the old posts here

Winston.

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My father passed away....

by Alana in

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i know that i don't post often, but i read this board daily.

anyway, i just wanted to pass on the information that my father passed away last week.

he was 81 and in semi-poor health.

What should replace twin towers?...

by Brummie in

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...a memorial to the victims or thriving business offices?.

would building offices show a disrespect for the victims or would it be a good idea in the sense that it shows the usa are picking up where they left off and not being deterred by the terrorists?.

brummie

Winston Smith :>D

BTW, the previous WTC 1 & 2 were 1,350 feet high each.

The new will rise to over 1,770'

Winston.

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What should replace twin towers?...

by Brummie in

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...a memorial to the victims or thriving business offices?.

would building offices show a disrespect for the victims or would it be a good idea in the sense that it shows the usa are picking up where they left off and not being deterred by the terrorists?.

brummie

Winston Smith :>D

Doing nothing with the site is to admit defeat.

The site can be built upon to bring honor to the lives lost, be used in a manner befitting to the site as the center of the financal world, and outdo the previous architectural design for the towers with a new, forward thinking design to grace the NYC skyline.

Here's info on the final selected design:

Wintson.

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Apparently Pinatas are ' no big deal'. What's next? Birthdays?

by xjw_b12 in

i always thought the society frowned upon the use of pinatas, if not discouraging the use of them all together.

apparently the wts has decided to avoid insulting the brothers in mexico.

from the september 22, 2003 awake.

Winston Smith :>D

A main concern is not what the practice meant hundreds of years ago, but how it is viewed today in your area. Understandably, opinions may vary from one place to another. Hence, it is wise to avoid turning such matters into big issues.

This, Hula dancing in Hawaii; what's next, X-max and Easter?

Who today get's together for Christmas to worship Satunalia on 12/25?

Nothing surprises me anymore from these guys... alt

Winston.

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Something I've never told you........

by Tinkerbell4125 in

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i've really been struggling over the past few months.

when craig and i got married, i didn't invite my dad to my wedding.

six weeks later he takes his life.

Winston Smith :>D

Hi Tink,

Sorry to hear you carry this burden and guilt. Everyone is right, it's not your fault. But saying that and believing that are two different things I would guess.

Among the other good advice here, Lady Lee had some good pointers also.

Seek couseling as LL said. It will help you heal.

Many other good points here also.

Best luck,

Winston.

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HELP!!! HELP!!!! HELP!!!!!!

by proudassmonkey in

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ok i need some help from who ever has dealt w. their jw parents.

this is the email i got from my parents: .

dear melissa, .

Winston Smith :>D

Hi PAM ,

I'm sorry about the position you're in. I will be to the point here.

There are many good points given already. I think Lady Lee, Greven, Amazing, and similar advice is the best approach. Reading the book 'realeasing the bonds' is an absolute must for you.

I give this advice even though you mention that you don't care if you talk to your parents ever again. You know why?

Not to sound like a jag here, but your BS'ing us; and probably that's because you're lying to yourself too. If you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted your parent's letter here. Think of a person you know that you don't care about, a co-worker, the guy that took your order at McDonalds today, anyone who you don't care about. If they wrote this letter to you, would you give it this same level of attention?

No.

So deep down, IMHO you do care about talking to your parents and having them back in your life, as normal human beings, and not as JW's.

With that vantage point, I say to be as non-confrontational as possible. Tell them how much you appreciated their letter, and that it's good to hear that they still care for you. Acknowledge their pain. And then leave the door open for them.

Ravyn is correct too. You shouldn't lie to them or blow sunshine up the a$$holes, but you may want to re-examine how you realy feel about them. IMHO, many of us would love to have our parents back in our lives, if they lost the JW mindset.

~

I say this because I at one time felt as your parents did. Some of my immediate family are not in the Borg. I have said similar things to them as your father has said to you. Like Amazing said, many of us Jw's had this same mindset at one point when we were under the mind-control.

But my family always left the door open. Let me know that they cared for me, wanted to see me and that they didn't judge me. Now that I am making the break, they are the first ones I am turning to. I never even for a moment second guessed if they would welcome me back into their lives or not. Hey, the 'prodigal son' had returned home, and there was great rejoicing!

~

So don't make them feel as if they have to choose one of the other. Don't make them feel like it's either black or white. Don't force them into a corner because they feel they have no other options. That's learned behavior that we picked up from the borg, but like xjw-b12 said, don't play by their rules. Everything can be grey with us 'apostates'. There love for you will eventually let them put their guard down.

In Steve Hassans book, he mentioned why we can expect family to escape from a mind-control group. unconditional love is always stronger than the 'love' inspired by fear from a mind-controling cult. From the letter you posted from your father, I see that love there. Don't dampen it

IMHO,

Winston.

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How Extreme Will Witnesses Become?

by metatron in

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i think this is a question worth considering - just how extreme will witnesses become?.

first, the hierarchy: there are numerous accounts stretching back for years of gb members skipping meetings,.

ignoring field service and treating "vital" doctrine in a cavalier fashion.

Winston Smith :>D

two years ago I received a blood smeared Watchtower in my mailbox
Ravyn

That is terrible!

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Clinton Lied (What Did He Know and When Did He Know It)

by Yerusalyim in

i'm sure this will not come as a shock to most of you...but clinton was an accomplished liar...problem is...bush is getting the blame for something that clearly started under clinton...and early...the recession.

wonder why this didn't get more press?.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/allpolitics/08/09/column.novak/.

Winston Smith :>D

I'm sure this will not come as a shock to most of you...but Clinton was an accomplished liar
Yerus

Actually, that should read; 'Clinton was an accomplished politician'

Hey, I didn't agree with alot of his policies, and actually got kinda mad at some of the things he said/did.

But man, I would be lying if I said that 'after listening to him speak I never got caught up in what he spoke.'

Putting liberal/conservative - democrat/republican views aside; Clinton was good, probably the best there has been in a long time as far as polictians go.

*EDITED to add*

Bush, as downhome and nice of a guy as he seems, just isn't as accomplished of a polotician as Clinton was. Clinton was made of Teflon. Nothing stuck to him.

/*EDIT over*

With that being said, I don't follow politcs much anymore now that I got enough fires in my life to occupy my time.

Best,

Winston.